selenium deficiency in baby goats

Sometimes, no matter how much effort we make to bring our babies back to health we cannot make it happen. I did some internet research and time and time again was re-assured that if I just left her alone the problems would likely straighten out in a day or two. A common steroid is Dexamethazone, and for the pain Banamine. She also gave him shots of anti immflamatory and antibiotic and something for the pain. However, a deficiency in I would not rule out a selenium deficiency. I do not have any BO SE but I do have some gel that has selenuim and vitiam E in it. Yes, Dr. Kim told me that the menengeal worm does not show up in the blood work. Weak legs. I think you goat can use it, but you do not want to overdose. I don’t know if that means he has no liver flluke????? It can also reflect how he was situated inside the womb. Selenium (Se) deficiency is associated with selenium deficient soils and the inadequate uptake of selenium by forages grown on these soils. Proper selenium levels are necessary for goats to reproduce, lactate, give birth, urinate, and have properly functioning muscles. Thank goodness you have a good vet!!! The one that loved them the most in my herd was my large boer buck. They’ll fight until the end, and thankfully, this was not the end for him. According to the breeder who isn’t reliable he was nursing great but then he said it several times so looking back he might have just been saying that to offload those precious babies, but he is kind of spunky, especially in the beginning so I’m sure he did get something. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Thank you once again Mary. I also scheduled an appointment with the new vet for tomorrow. I will give him the Ivomec Plus once I get it.. She did tell me his liver looked good. If you hear of anything else please let me know. I will let you know tomorrow what the vet says. We built our barn and goat lots over an area that the deer populated. Your email address will not be published. It also sounds good to me that he looks alert and eating well. We purchased a selinum and vitamin block and gave it to the does in the pasture about two days ago. When injecting a goat with a selenium supplement, follow your veterinary instructions very carefully. They do not process the selenium as quickly via an oral treatment. Continue loving and spoiling…that’s what us goat people do. I also meant to ask you about the peanut hay. Often, because vitamin E and selenium are interrelated in body functions, your goat may be deficient in both at the same time. If you have not treated with selenium yet, it definitely would not hurt to do so. Hello Mary: Just wanted to update you on Gordo. The second one is just laying around and very weak and will not eat much at all. Should I give it twice??? What is your doeling eating? No, I’ve had no experience with white muscle disease in a pregnant doe. Idaho, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, and into the neighboring If your area is known to be selenium deficient I would give the BoSe injection. He will try to take a few steps then he lets out a cry and falls down, He eats hay, grass, and a bottle just fine. You can also do blood tests on your goats to see if they are getting enough selenium in their current diet and adjust accordingly. There is something going on with his legs and all I’ve read and what you have told me it seems like MW. selenium in the soil. TC and keep Gordo in your prayers . Toni, that is excellent news! I should say she is VERY pregnant. Selenium gel is also available, though I haven’t found that to be strong enough for my herd. She is due on March 24th. Just wanted to let you know that Gordo is not doing well today. Thank you once again for all your help. Be careful with the amount that you inject with the BoSe. I am still giving him the B-Complex and I stopped the SafeGuard after a 7 day treatment for the deer worm. Thank You Mary, No fever. the website…www.nrgteam.com.au …. The one dose will do the job. I am going to continue researching this for you, but please call your vet in the meantime. I need to write a blog post on this! Goats cannot overdose on fortified Vitamin B complex, so I recommend dosing an ill goat as often as needed, in addition to any other treatments that are vet recommended. Great job on the minerals! Also, If you are in a place with high amounts of selenium, look out for Astragalus (locoweed) which can indicate high selenium as well as absorb high amounts. White muscle disease (WMD) is caused by a deficiency of selenium and/or vitamin E. It is a degenerative muscle disease found in all large animals including sheep and goats. Use once every 30 days. YAY! In many parts of the United States, soils are deficient in selenium, making it necessary to use fortified feeds … Shaking can indicate an iron deficiency as well, weakness, some hair loss, which is what I thought of when you said she is shaking in the morning. With young animals, Dr. Alice Ennis see’s poor growth, depressed immune function and skeletal and cardiac muscle dystrophy. The kids have all seemed healthy and nursing fine. Best wishes, Gordo…my fingers are crossed and prayers are said. Soil is considered “selenium deficient” when there is less than 0.5mg of selenium per kg of soil. Unfortunately, we didn’t give BoSe quickly enough. I have read that if an animal doesn’t respond to treatment withing 24 hours he can be treated again. Any suggestions? Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. These areas include parts of the Dakotas, Follow the directions that the vet gives you for the selenium dosage. She had a little limp in her gate but other than that seemed fine. Take care Mary. So now…its IM injections of antibiotics for the next 24 days! On the other hand, selenium deficiency protects against … He walked fine for the first 7 weeks of his life and now he cant walk. I don’t know what else to do for him. They are lying prone on the ground, appear healthy except for the fact that they can’t stand up at all. I stood over her and helped her to straighten her legs, one by one, until I had her standing. I will let you know once I speak to her this week. It breaks my heart that he is suffering. With kidding season around the corner, it’s time to talk about selenium deficiency. I gave all 3 kids a shot of Selenium, the first course of action for any weak goat baby. It contains a high level of Thiamine and B Complex vitamins. If your area is very selenium deficient I would still give the goats an annual dose of selenium via injection. I'm waiting to find out Selenium/Zinc boluses discussed in another thread are going to make it through customs (ordered from S&N Livestock). Im very interested in ur book. He continues to eat well thank God and calls out for his family when he doesn’t see them around ;). It seems to be his front legs that are giving him trouble. Selenium (Se) was first identified in the early 1800s but it's nutritional importance has only been recognized in the later half of this century. He almost acts like his legs are sore and limps. Selenium is important to a goat for proper gait, healthy pregnancies, and strong kids that grow well. broadly. Toni, your vet’s diagnosis really does make sense. Massage the area, encourage them to stand on it. And if so how long before I start seeing a change in his walking. HI, I have a goat kid that is 2 months old. One of my bucks contracted menengial deerworm. Do not feel bad for asking me questions. Or maybe wait a while. There is no recommended dose … I am asking this so we can help others. Do you have any experience or have heard of anyone dealing with this issue in a pregnant doe? He has been like this for 1 week now, we have been giving him Naxcel, i gave him Vitamin E, gave him selenium gel and I gave him Vitamin D. Ever since being born he has been separated from the herd, he is in his own little area so i know no one hurt him. It frequently becomes an issue for every kid during that season because it's often due to impropper nutrition in the pregnant doe herd's diet. Best of luck! When you get a chance, I would love to hear about your vet’s comments on the hay. Yes, he still eats and drinks water….thank God. It is a disease that is seen more commonly in Angora kids grazing lucerne lands or fed concentrates especially if containing molasses. I am preparing the outline for an article. Thank you once again. Kids will be born stillborn or weak (often with white muscle disease). Check your label. I did the Ivomec Plus for 2 days only because he screams like crazy and I started the safe guard again yesterday. An annual injection of selenium may also be needed. I was skeptical, but decided to wait and see what the selenium shot could do. The old statement “love kills” is exactly what happened. I have not experienced anything like this in the rear legs, but it could be weak hocks, and that can be caused by a selenium deficiency. I have just ordered Bo-Se from a local vet. I will be forever greateful to you. If you have any additional observations, thoughts or comments, let me know. . He/she may sell the bottle to you at no extra cost (no padding), or, if they have opened bottles, they may even sell it to you by the syringe. So we started pushing down near his bladder and I massaged him a little and a few minutes later he peed. Hi, we have recently lost several of our kids, all between 1-3 weeks old. They keep moving their legs and bleeting. You might consider purchasing a goat feed that is mineral balanced, one that includes selenium. So, before … Questions concerning selenium supplements arise often. I consent to Backyard Goats collecting and storing the data I submit in this form. Jason, I am not a huge fan of supplements in gel form. As always, be cautious with any injections, supplements or medications. Alfalfa good for does not for males. We sell a number of the boys as bucks, sell some for 4-H, and those that we do not want to breed we band. Tomorrow I am going to get him some penicillin and try 3 days of that to see if it help him any. Kids born dead or too weak to nurse. He had been doing better as I mentioned to you in my previous post, but today he can’t even stand up. Selenium deficiency can affect your entire herd, but newborns and young kids are the most vulnerable, especially when their mother became deficient while they were still in the womb. Sep 20, 2017 - Selenium deficiency in goats can cause reproductive issues and weak kids. I’ll announce it here, or talk about it as I go. This must be obtained by prescription through your vet. She told me to give the kids 1 cc just under the skin. I believe what you are talking about the meningeal worm, also called the deer worm. She wants to walk she just can’t, we do deep bedding in the barn over winter and I think that does add to her unsteadiness. If so how much? He gets his second shot of penicilin tonight. I have 4 babies on the ground right now and only one of them is even attempting to get up. After reading all your post it seems to be more about the kids (ours are a year old and we have not attempted breeding) can the lack of selenim still be the issue? I am going crazy. Animal crackers (goats love them, don’t they?) I gave him the BOSE injection yesterday around noon and as of today I have not seen any improvement. Tony, if the bottle baby is walking stiff-legged it could be caused by a selenium deficiency, but I also suspect something could be be going on in the rumen as well. I gave him a baby aspirin today to see if it helps with the pain. Selenium has a very narrow margin of safety. You may be able to get one injection from your vet. Ive tried many nipples including pritchard. The vet said if they were already affected by the deficiency, the shots wouldn’t help and we will probably lose a few more. It is important to understand that the occasional weak kid is probably not selenium deficient. We may not be able to save her but we are going to do everything we can. just glad to get it under control! Dr. Kim doesn’t think its polio because he has been like this for a while now and she doesn’t think he would still be alive today if he had that. He then stood up on his own to pee and walked a few steps. with minerals sprinkled on top. To us, it seems to be the lesser of the two evils. T/C & God Bless You! Please help me find out what the problem is. I again treated her for Meningeal worm, still nothing. I can syringe about an ounce In him twice a day but no more than that. https://www.merckvetmanual.com/.../nutritional-requirements-of-goats What do we do on our farm to prevent selenium deficiency? She was a bit wobbly, but I could see her improving, giving her reason to want to keep going. Other signs of selenium deficiency are double-jointed or “noodle leg” baby goats, and non-Nubian kids born with floppy ears. Liz, when did he stop nursing? You will continue to see improvements from the single treatment. Sometimes we think we are doing wonderful things, when, in fact, we are creating problems. The lush green seemed an ideal spot to me, but, being that we were not familiar with the meningeal worm we did not catch the symptoms of the one young buck until it was too late. Selenium has a very narrow margin of safety. I’ll leave that idea with you. I will let you know in a few days. What medications and de-workers has she received? the selenium levels are on your property. Selenium deficiency in goats can cause white muscle disease in goats, also known as nutritional muscular dystrophy. Babies present in the birth canal with a leg … Causes of selenium deficiency. Keep an eye on him, as long as he is nursing, with no symptoms of poor health, I believe his legs will straighten out. I did this with a doe for 3 weeks before she recovered. Hello Mary: It is with a heavy heart and great sadness that I write to you today to let you know that my Gordo crossed over the rainbow bridge yesterday. I don’t think he is in pain, but not being able to walk and run around like the rest can not be fun for him. You want to be able to make it go away right now. Tags: Carrie Miller, Miller Micro Farm, Kinsman, Ohio, Goat minerals, mineral deficiency, Selenium, While each mineral listed below is super important, it is just as important not to overdose goats. We are picking up a selenium combo injection for the kids tomorrow, but I’m not sure where the best site is for the injection. Any help, actual experiences with this condition, will help me do so. The first thing I thought of is Meningial worm. I would not purchase mineral labeled “for goats and sheep,” to ensure the mix contains all of the needed minerals specific to goats (i.e. If your area is extremely deficient, you may need a goat mineral that has been formulated for your region, or possibly selenium gel given occasionally. – Mary. TC my friend. You should dose him for several days, up to 4-5 days if needed. Can I give selenium tablets from the healthfood store?? Thank you for your questions. There is debate about ACV (apple cider vinegar). I am so glad to hear he does get up and joins the herd! When we got her she was really bad, the vet gave me a shot and 8 pills to give to her. A selenium vaccine is given during gestation, 30-45 days prior to the doe’s due date (assists both the doe and the unborn kid, boosts birthing strength as well). Do you live in an area that is populated heavy with white tail deer? I am so scared that he might not make it. I am going crazy Mary…I will let you know in a few days how he is doing. One per year, no more than two (6 months apart) is my rule of thumb. Thank you Mary. I plan to publish in/by June. He is probably jumping around and doing all the fun goat stuff he couldn’t do here on earth…..this gives me comfort. Well I gave him the penicillin but I didn’t get the LA-200 because I know it burns. A map of selenium levels throughout the lower 48 states. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. I don’t know if this will help him urinate. Treatment of this worm must occur early on and recovery is difficult. No anemia showed in his blood work and inner eyelids are nice and dark pink. Deficiency symptoms include skin disorders, white muscle disease (a type of nutritional muscular dystrophy), lowered reproduction and conception rate, still births, abortion, lowered resistance to parasites, decreased milk production and milk quality. I am really happy he has improved just since Tuesday! You haven’t seen those things in Gordo, have you? Thank you for your prompt reply. You have that in your favor if he is. I’ve given them milk and having googled the internet regarding kids not standing after birth, found a vet that prescribed BoSe for me. Selenium deficiency can result in poor growth in lambs, weaner ill thrift, white muscle disease, reduced wool production and reduced ewe fertility. Stay in touch. Soils in North America vary from deficient to toxic in their levels of selenium. With all of this being said, I would dose selenium, worm (if you have not already done so, with a wormer that treats both external and interal parasites), and provide the goat(s) with loose minerals or a mineral block specifically formulated for goats. He stopped eating other than forcefeeding when he came to us assuming he was nursing well on mom like the breeder said. I am phone writing now, hoping it works. If I have him treated at the vet with BoSe injection(s) will his walking and condition improve or will his reamin this way for the rest of his life? He was good for about 2 weeks, he would run to get his bottle, i feed him a bottle 3 times a day of goats milk. If I don’t have to I don’t want to. She has severe loss of hair on her neck and patches on her back, and I was suspecting perhaps zinc deficiency, but have been advised that it is more likely selenium deficiency. She also gave me a few cc’s of wormer. Another question – the buck kid has a slightly out-turned left back leg, which was noticeable as soon as he stood up after birth. Had to learn the hard way. He also told me to give him an adult aspirin (325mg) once a day. A doe’s failure to conceive can be the result of either selenium deficiency or toxicity. They go from walking and leg problems to “up and at ’em” within hours. Wow a book….good luck with that. Deficient does will have trouble getting pregnant and maintaining pregnancy. When he steps back he stumbles and sits down like a dog. The does can eat the peanut hay and the males can have a little as a treat. I will let you know how he is doing in a few days. I have not lost hope for him…he continues to drink and eat pretty well. ( Log Out /  Goat-Link - Goat Information and Goat Care. Hefty amounts of dewormer must be administered for a number of days to rid the goat of the parasite. I am giving him some mineral with animal crackers. When ewes and lambs aren’t able to get enough selenium or vitamin E in their diets, they can become selenium deficient. You may also try dosing your doeling with Red Cell. He could also need selenium. I guess pure alfalfa is too rich also. I continue giving him the B-Complex and today he is taking his 4th day of the safe guard. Thank you for replying. But thought better safe then sorry. When the book becomes available I will provide a link on this blog. Again, watch the wormer (look for pale eyelids, should be bubble gum pink – no sallow or white), minerals, good feed. What is selenium? BO-SE (selenium, vitamin E) is recommended for the prevention and treatment of white muscle disease (Selenium-Tocopherol Deficiency) syndrome in calves, lambs, and ewes. Clinical signs are: stiffness and lameness, diarrhea and unthriftiness, pulmonary distress and/or cardiac arrest. If a kid is born weak, for example, and the kid weighs 10 lbs, we give an injection of no more than 1/4 ml. The vet told me to give him some salt and I did. Here is a great description and treatment for the ailment: http://fiascofarm.com/goats/ketosis.htm, Hi Mary, I’ve used it in the buck’s water without any bad side effects, and only experienced one case of urinary calculi in my herd. There have been no documented cases of vitamin E toxicity in small ruminants, unlike selenium, which has a fairly narrow margin of safety and can result in death if a goat gets too much. I know he willl probably never be 100%, but as long as he can move around with the others I am happy. Follow instructions carefully. He is still falling down and spends most of his time laying down because his legs can’t support him. It’s as if the hocks are turning in and going to touch (at this point he is about 32 hours old). If the problem is due to a lack of selenium, yes, it can be treated, and the treatment would work long-term. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Once the volume decreases due to a health issue, for example, it normally stays at a lower volume until the next season. You did a wonderful loving and caring job of it. Based on your description, I immediately thought of a mineral deficiency. Note: The product I used is Selon-E. Sometimes you have to work with a kids leg, sort of help them along. Rj. Anyway, I will give him the Ivomec…it won’t hurt. It is not intended as a substitution for advice and treatment given by a physician, pharmacist, veterinarian, or other licensed healthcare professional. I spoke to a lady who has goats and she has never heard of the MW. Keep up the treatment for 3 days, and call in the vet if he doesn’t improve quickly. My 8 month old boy does not act like the other goats. I am writing the book. In January my 3 year old doe who is due to kid in a few weeks was treated with Meningeal worm. Hi Mary When I help he she presses on them and stretches, she can stand for awhile but then needs to lay down. Some minerals, such as sulfur, can actually inhibit your goat’s absorption of selenium even if it is in good concentrations in their diet. Prayers for Gordo! I am not sure how long ago the doe have birth, but the milk does increase in volume after a week or so. This time I felt it was different, she wanted to get up she just couldn’t lift her back end. Side by side, take 5 goats, 4 will be healthy, shiny coat, not looking rough and one will simply need TLC (extra minerals, selenium, etc…). Hey Mary: I spoke to the vet this morning and he told me to start him on penicillin (for 3 days) and 1 adult aspirin (325mg) a day. I am now giving him O&A. If you have given him the full dose of dewormer that your vet prescribed I would wait, see how he does. It passes through deer bodies without causing significant health problems. I met a guy at the feed store and he came by today and took a look at him he suggested a round of antibiotics….he said it won’t hurt to try. Signs & Side Effects of Selenium Deficiency. One wormer doesn’t work on all goats. But the only thing that I am not liking at this moment is that I didn’t see him urinate today. When you have the time, I would like to hear what treatments the vet gave for the worm, and what symptoms you noticed beforehand. Oh by the way I am giving him the B-Complex only once a day. Vet is coming tomorrow. Yet, even in plants that would normally have good amounts, low soil selenium means low plant selenium. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I will let you know once the blood work on the selenium comes back. I am following up on advice for my doe- she may have had a reabsorbed birth last summer- the people I bought her from said she was bred but she never gave birth. Goats require 0.2 parts per million of selenium, and the toxic level is 3 ppm. Forage is best, while alfalfa hays are usually also good sources of selenium for goats. I have never known a goat owner that did not experience at least one difficult kidding season, especially when they owned a number of goats. I also thought of White Muscle disease due to the weak hind legs. At the start of treatment she was unable to stand by herself, had a stargazing look in her eyes. Animal crackers…oh, what memories I have of them! Learn how to identify and treat this deficiency in your herd! The reason that its bad for the males is because of the urinary calculi. So true….Never get caught without Bo-Se every kid has a better chance at life with jump start. After giving the injection, gently massage the area, which will help prevent a lump from forming. Have you experienced anything like this before? There is a very fine line between too little and too much selenium. Selenium deficiency in goats can cause white muscle disease in goats, also known as nutritional muscular dystrophy. We would love to hear your stories. Ahhh…how we spoil our babies! I’m new to having goats, I just got a one week old Nubian bottle baby yesterday, inwhich he is walking stiff legged (if he walks) he mostly just stands around or lays down. She has been doing good but yesterday we noticed she cant get up with her front legs. It has also been shown that selenium supplementation helps with cell mediated immunity. I was just thinking about Gordo. Stunted growth. . copper, vitamin E). Unfortunately, soil in much of the United States, and other countries, is deficient in selenium. To treat selenium deficiency, dose baby goats with a selenium/vitamin E gel or injection according to packaging dosage. Dosage: Newborns - 2 ml; Adults - 4 ml. The vet (via telephone) didn’t think it was a selenium deficiency and said it was more likely a genetic defect. He pointed out the loco weed … Hi Mary, Thank you so much for this post. I have known folks that diluted molasses down and sprayed it on their low-quality hay to entice the goats to eat, and to add extra nutrients. If he isn’t nursing, he’ll grow weak quickly. Kids that are on their feet, strong, and nursing, in my opinion, may not be selenium deficient. Just a follow up:: I did decide to take him to the veterinarian this morning! And, bless you for staying in touch with me. If your area is not deficient, I would ask your vet if he/she advises the Bose. Hiya! How can selenium deficiency be prevented? I just called our local vet to order Bo-Se. Posted in Goat Care (and General Farm) | Tagged goat care, goat herdmanship, managing goat herd, preventing White Muscle Disease, selenium deficiency in goats, supplement goat feed, weak goat kids | 96 Comments, Thanks, Mary, we live in a selenium deficient area also. I am glad he is doing better! How old are the kids? Nov 8, 2018 - Selenium deficiency in goats can cause reproductive issues and weak kids. He also does a little sniffling/sneezing (not alot) maybe once an hour or so..i just thought this may be normal. I hope you come back and tell me you’ve seen remarkable results. – Mary, The cost depends upon your vet. But it feels like the results don't last long and deficiency creeps back within months. Best wishes. Some sniffling and sneezing is normal, but can also be the start of pneumonia, common in seasons when the weather is up and down in temperatures and wetness. Selenium and Vitamin E play a role in immune function and are vital for growth and reproduction.Each 2 ml dose contains max 1 ppm selenium and min 200 IU natural vitamin E. For use as the sole source of selenium. I have better luck with the pritchard, can squeeze the bottle and he swallows until hes had an ounce then fights and stops and wont swallow. The doe will have lower milk production which compounds problems if a kid is already born weak.

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